Oh you saw him online. It's good to talk to you. No doubt in my mind it was. You saw what you saw. Kansas officials think a mountain lion recently roamed through Shawnee County. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. Possible Mountain Lion Sighting in New Hampshire CONCORD, N.H. -- The New Hampshire Fish and Game Department today reported that one of its staff members, following up on a routine report of a mountain lion sighting, saw what is believed to be a mountain lion in a rural area of Barnstead, N.H. Yeah I did. Well they are the same. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Early in the morning. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. That's next time on one day. That's pretty elaborate. Do they travel. Peter Biello: Ok. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. I'm Peter B yellow. Pelosi story here we go. So Michael follows with the question. Sam. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. The next day I crossed the river and took pictures of a paw print he left behind . And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. According to the Nebraska Game and Parks report, a homeowner heard growling coming from underneath his porch while working outside. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Tonight, Sean McDonald . On a dirt road. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. I saw a mountain lion on my property in NE corner of Dutchess County about 6 years ago -- the cat (or a cat) had been spotted many times over the years and was believed to have been introduced and escaped from a nearby Hunting Preserve. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. In Vermont, it was 1881. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. A middle school in Manchester, New Hampshire has sent out an alert after a mountain lion was spotted. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Love hearing these stories. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. We're not in the woods. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Jun 13, 2011. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. And so. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. So give us a call now. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Something along those lines. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. More recently, in 2011, a mountain lion roamed Connecticut before being hit and killed by a car. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. I don't know if she still is. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Thank you. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. And the cougar embodies that. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. But no proof was offered. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Patrick Tate: Okay. There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. So it's there was no question in my mind. I mean they're a survivor. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. In Vermont, it was 1881. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. But those who called the New Hampshire Fish and Game officer were told the last time a mountain lion was seen in the state was in the 1850s, and it's unlikely they have made a return. How far were you from this cat. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. Caller: Absolutely. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. New Hampshire Public Radio | A young male cougar weighing about 40 pounds was shot and killed this week near Whiteclay, Nebraska. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Have you seen one. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. So take care of this problem. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Peter Biello: Wow. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. The sub-population in Florida is known as the Florida panther . Pat do they typically just move around a lot. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. So. Good morning guys. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. John is calling from Bennington. State officials confirmed the presence of a mountain lion near the Quabbin Reservoir in the late 1990s. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. You're on the air. Mountain lion or cat running across. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid. In recent years, number of reported cougar sightings has never dropped below double digits, according to data from New Hampshire's Fish & Game Department from 2010 to present day. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Think you've seen a mountain lion. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. It's listed as population of least concern. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. The evidence for the 1874 cougar is so hard that it's held in a display case in the State Museum of . Caller: Are probably. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. He said matter of fact I do. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Caller: Hi. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Novartis sold $1.1 billion worth of Gilenya in the U.S. last year, a 19% drop from 2021 that was caused in part by generic competition, according to . I can't. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. 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